Rimbel35 (David Parcerisa): «Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest spiritual teacher in history, and the Biblical texts, especially the Old Testament, point out that the philosophy of Jesus had nothing to do with Jehovah,»
Alvin: «Today Jesus is still being thrown a stone because he said «I am» …. Jesus grammatically had to say «I was» but he said «I am», the Jews did understand the message that was being given: Abraham your father he rejoiced that he was to see my day; and he saw it, and rejoiced. Then the Jews said to him: You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am. So they took stones to throw at them; but Jesus hid himself and left the temple; and going through them, he left. S. John 8: 56-59 It is clear that Jesus is Jehovah, so get rid of the idea that he was the Father.»
My answer: “You preach idolatry, Jesus was a human being, and he was a holy god made man, a holy angel made man (Psalms 82:6-7, John 10:34-35), and no human being can be Jehovah, the name Jesus means: Jehovah is the savior (Hosea 13:4), Jehovah is the Father of Jesus (Psalm 110), and Jehovah can never die (Daniel 12:7), instead Jesus died on the cross and begged him to Jehovah on the cross, not to himself, his enemies said to him: “he commended himself to Jehovah, let Jehovah save him if Jehovah was pleased on him.” (that is in Psalms 22, Isaiah 42:1), finally, the Bible is a set of writings from the book of truth, in combination with Greek wisdom, it is not 100% the word of God, it has many contradictions because the persecutors of Christians hated the true gospel, for this reason parables were used a lot so that at least by the parables it is understood what is the truth (Daniel 12:1-3), yes, although this hurts the modern ones’ Pharisees’ who profit from the Bible, the Bible is not the word of God, but the word of the corrupt Romans who created it after killing the saints (Daniel 9:26-27) for example: Regarding the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 claims that he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it into the temple, and «went and hanged himself.» In contrast, Acts 1:18 states that Judas used the money to buy a field and «falling headlong, he broke in the middle, and all his insides spilled.» Only crazy fanatics claim, «The Bible is the word of God,» does the word of God lie? Is it the word of God Matthew 27:5 or Acts 1:18?, Both passages belong to the Bible. «
Paulo: «I don’t know why Christians or those who call themselves Christians are offended … it is only a matter of logic and the comparison between the old and new testaments makes sense … Jesus is love and Jehovah … he seems quite the opposite … it is a matter of logic.»
My answer: I allow myself to do something that the crazy people of the Bible do not do, they do not do it because they are false Christians, the first Christians did not preach the Bible, they were the true Christians, the Christians of the last times are very few and they do not preach either the Bible, the Bible is the work of the Roman councils, they falsified the gospel to soften it and make it more acceptable to more people, and despite the fact that there is a lot of contradiction between false new testament in the Bible and false old testament in the Bible, there is also a lot in common, with which I am going to destroy your false logic and I am going to show you that the God of Jesus is the same Jehovah that David Parcerisa hates so much, yes, that’s right, He is the same vengeful God of the «Ancient testament «, and I will show you with texts from the new testament itself:
In Acts 7 it is narrated that Stephen after being stoned for telling the truth, he agonized saying «forgive them God»: «Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, while he invoked and said: Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And on his knees he cried out with a loud voice, Lord, do not take this sin into account. And having said this, he slept. «
But nevertheless, the attitude of the saints is very different in Revelation, in the Apocalypse they ask God for revenge:
Revelation 6:9 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them, and it was said unto them that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants and also their brethren, who were to be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs when she is shaken by a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 and they said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?”
Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.(Leviticus 18) 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; (except when parents ask to do injustice, obviously).
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Salmos 119:122 Afianza a tu siervo para bien;
No permitas que los soberbios me opriman.
Salmos 119:123 Mis ojos desfallecieron por tu salvación, Jehová,
Y por la palabra de tu justicia.
Salmos 119:124 Haz con tu siervo según tu misericordia,
Y enséñame tus estatutos.
Salmos 119:125 Tu siervo soy yo, dame entendimiento
Para conocer tus testimonios.
Salmos 119:127 Por eso yo he amado tus mandamientos
Más que el oro, y más que oro muy puro.
Salmos 119:128 Por eso estimé rectos todos tus mandamientos sobre todas las cosas,
Y aborrecí todo camino de mentira.
Salmos 119:129 Maravillosos son tus testimonios;
Por tanto, los ha guardado mi alma.
Salmos 119:130 La exposición de tus palabras alumbra;
Hace entender a los simples.
Salmos 119:131 Mi boca abrí y suspiré,
Porque deseaba tus mandamientos.
Salmos 119:132 Mírame, y ten misericordia de mí,
Como acostumbras con los que aman tu nombre.
Salmos 119:134 Líbrame de la violencia de los hombres,
Y yo guardaré tus mandamientos.
Salmos 119:135 Haz que tu rostro resplandezca sobre tu siervo,
Y enséñame tus estatutos.
Salmos 119:137 Justo eres tú, oh Jehová,
Y rectos tus juicios.
Salmos 119:138 Tus testimonios, que has recomendado,
Son rectos y muy fieles.
Salmos 119:139 Mi celo me ha consumido,
Porque mis enemigos se olvidaron de tus palabras.
Salmos 119:140 Sumamente pura es tu palabra,
Y la ama tu siervo.
Salmos 119:141 Pequeño soy yo, y desechado,
Mas yo no me he olvidado de tus mandamientos.
Salmos 119:142 Tu justicia es justicia eterna,
Y tu ley la verdad.
Salmos 119:143 Aflicción y angustia se han apoderado de mí,
Mas tus mandamientos fueron mi delicia.
Salmos 119:144 Justicia eterna son tus testimonios;
Dame entendimiento, y viviré.
Salmos 119:145 Clamé con todo mi corazón; respóndeme, Jehová,
Y yo guardaré tus estatutos.
Salmos 119:146 A ti clamé; sálvame,
Y guardaré tus testimonios.
Salmos 119:147 Me anticipé al alba, y clamé;
Esperé en tu palabra.
Salmos 119:148 Se anticiparon mis ojos a las vigilias de la noche,
Para meditar en tus mandatos.
Salmos 119:149 Oye mi voz conforme a tu misericordia;
Oh Jehová, vivifícame conforme a tu juicio.
Salmos 119:151 Cercano estás tú, oh Jehová,
Y todos tus mandamientos son verdad.
Salmos 119:152 Hace ya mucho que he entendido tus testimonios,
Que para siempre los has establecido.
Salmos 118:153 Mira mi aflicción, y líbrame,
Porque de tu ley yo no me he olvidado.
Salmos 119:156 Muchas son tus misericordias, oh Jehová;
Vivifícame conforme a tus juicios.
Salmos 119:157 Muchos son mis perseguidores y mis enemigos,
Mas de tus testimonios no me he apartado.
Salmos 119:158 Veía a los prevaricadores, y me disgustaba,
Porque ellos no guardaban tus palabras.
Salmos 119:160 La suma de tu palabra es verdad,
Y eterno es todo juicio de tu justicia.
Salmos 119:161 Príncipes me han perseguido sin causa,
Pero mi corazón tuvo temor de tus palabras.
Salmos 119:163 La mentira aborrezco y abomino;
Tu ley amo.
Salmos 118:164 Siete veces al día te alabo
A causa de tus justos juicios.